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- limnos
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This reel came with the T.H. Chubb reel find. I think this is very early for Meisselbach, but also has some other things about it internally I'm not familiar with. The bottom of the foot is Marked "A.F. MEISSELBACH & BRO." "NEWARK, N.J." "PAT. APL'D FOR" "250". It is a free spool reel, with click and FS buttons on the back plate. It has a twist-off front plate with retention button on the front rim. It does seem to have an anti-reverse mechanism (I keep forgetting the name of the patent holder for that mechanism) on the main gear, but what I have not seen before is the 5 pins in an arch on the inside of the front plate. Then there is a wire loop that goes around the anti-reverse cam mechanism that provides just enough pressure to engage those cams and the loop appears to have to go over one of those pins. I'm not familiar enough with early A.F.M. saltwater reels to say if this is normal, rare or otherwise. Hopefully someone can shed some light on it. The rear plate is held in place by three screws on face of the back rim that screw into three oddly shaped machined nuts that slide into machined angled slots in on the outer edge of the rare hard rubber endplate insert. And let me tell you, getting those back on place and screwed down is a literal science project! They have to go in a certain direction dropped in with a fine long needle nose pliers....an hour or so later and you might get all 3 in and tightened down. If you lose in the hollow of the inside of the hollow back rim while trying to get it positioned, get ready for an expedition with jewelers loop and dental pick to get it fished back out and back place. LOL! Anyway, let me know your thoughts on it. Bill and I talked and he was thinking 1910-11-12 period based on Phil's book.
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- oc1
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That s the same clutch that Meisselbach used in their Tripart. Here is a thread about the Tripart from years ago but the photos are lost and gone forever now.
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- Paul Roberts
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Yes, it looks like the same, or very similar to, the Tri-Part and also the Coxe 25 FS cam mechanism. I should have photos on my PC of both. Operates by reversing handle to freespool and engages reel when reeling forward.
Anyway. not sure what the loop and pins are for except to keep the pinion in place? Possibly the multiple pins can orient the cams and handle allowing user to adjust clock-face location of FS engagement? Best guess. Curious.
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- Reelman2
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Brian Carley is a big Meisselbach reel person. Perhaps he would care to chime in on this.
Collect mostly Ky style reels; Meek, Heddon, Horton, Pflueger Redifor and Worth, etc.
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Overrunning clutch described in Meisselbach and Catucci patent no. 929,867. The frame construction was described in another patent. The reel is one of the most interesting Meisselbach surf reels.
Pardon me for mentioning it again, but my book would have enabled the ID within a few minutes.
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- Roger Schulz
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The reel is the First Model Free Spool Surf Reel. It was a short-lived reel from 1910 to 1912. The reel had clutch problem and a new version was developed by Catucci in 1912. My book talks about the free spool mechanism and its relation to the Takapart and Tripart and the problems with the reel.
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- Roger Schulz
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Postby Roger Schulz »
Steve makes a good point. One of the most important things collectors can have are books that help them answer their questions regarding identifying a reel. Steve's book should be on the bookshelf of every reel collector. I look at my reel bookshelf and my file of catalogs as important as my reels. We are also able to now access all the back issues of the Reel News via the ORCA website. I did an article on the First Model Meisseibach surf reel in May of 2017 for the Reel News. That would have provided you the information you needed.
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